Should I Retake GMAT Thread - Retaking GMAT Strategies : General GMAT Questions and Strategies

Everything you wanted to know about retaking GMAT. Not Happy with your GMAT Score? Not sure if it is good enough?
Retaking GMAT can be tough and often leads to a lower score - make sure it is worth the time and effort.

Nobody is ever happy with their GMAT score, but many agree that between 680 and 700 is good enough to get into any MBA program without second thoughts. What many of the applicants do is focus too much on quantifiable factors such as GMAT. Simply because you have 750 and another person has 700, does not mean your chances are much better. GMAT score is only a part of your application package and many 750+ applicants learned it the hard way. For Top 10 schools, GMAT is often only a check-mark. Thus, always determine the best ROI for your time and value that higher GMAT score will add to your application before deciding on retake. Often retake is not the right strategy. As an illustration, See Tarmac's post here for 8 dings with 770. Also see the "retake frustration stories" below for applicants whose scores went down after a retake.

At the same time, per GMAC Research (see attach below), retaking often brings value. On average, a person can gain 30 points by retaking. This could be explained by being more comfortable with the environment, knowing what to expect, and having a better stamina and time management. Also third and fourth, fifth, sixth attempts have paid off for a number of folks.




Situations when you probably SHOULD retake:

• The difference of your GMAT and GMAT Prep (undiluted) score is 50 points or greater.
• Your target school's average score is 50 points higher (check scores here...)
• You have used second rate prep materials (See a list of recommended books here)
• You have a significant score imbalance. For example Q50, V25, resulting in 640
• One of the admissions consultants from Profile Review forum recommended you retake
• You are shooting for a scholarship (several schools award scholarships partially based on GMAT scores)
• You have an extra 1-2 months and the best use of that time to improve your admissions chances is not writing essays/applications but studying for GMAT 3 hours/day
• Score Imbalance: You have a have a relatively high GMAT score, but your Verbal score is significantly lower than your Quant score--common with engineers and Indian IT types. (See student who got waitlisted at 690 but got in 3 weeks later with a 760.)
• Indian IT male - this is a very competitive segment and if you are not able to differentiate yourself in any way, get as high GMAT as you can.

Situations when you probably SHOULD NOT retake:

• You are within 50 points of the school's average GMAT score (in this case time is best spent on applications unless you have a bit of time and 30 points is a worthy increase). See School's Average and Range GMAT Scores
• You have exhausted all of the prep materials and resources
• You are short on time (rather spend it on applications than GMAT. Most top 10-20 schools do not put a significant weight on GMAT score - we have plenty of 770 applicants with rejections
• Already have a 700+ score

Recommendations and Resources for GMAT Retake:

• Get a schedule on a calendar and write out what you are planning to do and when. Set goals and achieve them! See this post for a sample of a calendar.
• One of the keys to a successful retake is to regain your test confidence - don't try to tackle the hardest hurdle first, focus on small victories to help motivate you to climb higher hills. Rome was not built in one day. Small victories will win the war. Thus, even though you have 45 Quant and 28 Verbal, it may be a better idea to get your Quant to 48 or 49 (and get your confidence back) before tackling the harder verbal questions.
• However, remember that ultimately, you only have so much time and you should identify areas that will give you the highest ROI.
• Find the best study pattern for you. If you are a single tasker - focus on quant/verbal first for the first few weeks. Then, put your attention on the other area and do a deep dive. Consider joining a study group here on GMAT Club. Some thrive in collective environment.
• Do not move on until you feel comfortable with the section and you feel you understand the entire section in your book
• Try following 1-2 month Study plan for retakers (how to go from 650 to 700+)
• Sign up for a GMAT Prep course that has a money-back guarantee such as Magoosh, Math Revolution, The Economist GMAT Tutor or examPAL which offer 50+ point improvement or money back. (you are not losing anything except your time)
• Make sure you have thoroughly covered your existing books
• Books - Make sure you are using best and most effective books for your prep (gmat books, math books, verbal books)
• Dedicate a larger portion of your day/life to methodically covering GMAT math and GMAT verbal
• Get a better lifestyle - sleep more, party less, exercise - give it a shot for a month
• Start reading more (books, magazines, etc - it helps a lot with RC and SC - see my post on GMAT Fiction)
• Start using Error Log - one of the easiest ways to get your score up is to use an error log and then focus on your weaknesses
• Try "teaching" others on the forum pages and learn more than you would ever have
• Explore success threads below and see what helped others

FAQ
How often can I retake the GMAT? (every 31 days)
750 on the GMAT but low Quant - should I retake?
How many times should one take the GMAT - any negative consequences of retaking?
What do Business Schools think of multiple GMAT scores?


GMAT retake success stories
From 700 to 770 by Avernusaur
From 570 to 760 by Hemantsood
3rd Attempt: increased verbal from 26 to 37 by marclopato
From 640 to 770 by Billyjeans
From 620 to 710 by quantjock
From 730 to 780 by Pelihu
From 580 to 730 by Yungsta
4th attempt - 690
From 640 to 720 with only confidence by logmeup
From 570 to 600 to 670 to 720 - a long way to 700's
From 420 to 700 by Positive Soul
From 680 to 740
500 to 640 in 1 Month
From 580 to 730 with PR materials
490 to 670 with a few tweaks
710 to 770 and lessons learned (another one of those :wink: )
Get second thoughts out of your head for $250 or going from 710 to 740
From 660 to 740
690 --> 720 in 6 weeks
640 to 700 in 2 months
Long journey from 570 to 730
560 to 710 in 2 months
730 to 760


GMAT retake "disaster" stories
Bitten Twice
From 580 to 540 by JohnLewis
From 720 to 690 by Pathfinder - currently attending Wharton
From 560 to 510 by Mediamindy
From 610 to 570 after 3 months of studying
680 to 620 by Noboru
740 to 710 by MCM
6 months to go from 690 to 690

Reference:
Should I retake GMAT by Hjort
Got 590 and done with GMAT (Applying to Top 10)


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Hi all,

First I have to tnx everybody here, without knowing it, you really helped me through the last 2 month of studing for my first GMAT!
I took the test 2 days ago and got 630 (which is exactly what I got on the preps). Like everybody else around here, I guess, I have to reach over the 700...
I read all the threads around here, and still:
1. Do you have any one month plan appropriate to my goals?
2. I already took the Kaplan course, and I have all the Kaplan materials, should I reused them?
3. My major problem is SC, so I ordered the Manhattan you recomended so much, any more recomendations on this part?
4. I had the feeling during the test that after Q 20 in the math section, I started to get questions that I never saw before, certenlly not in the OG, any suggestions on how to approach it?
5. I also ordered the new V&M official books. If there are any more smart purchases?

Well, again, thank you very much,

Jakiel.

You should definitely go thorugh the Kaplan class books again if you can - you will pick something new.

MGMAT SC is good. You can get either MGMAT SC or PowerScore SC - but don't get both as they are pretty much the same. Your SC should improve - make sure you don't move on until you understood each section fully and if you have to - reread 2 or 3 times.

You have probably seen this thread but just in case, gmat-study-plan-go-from-650-to-80235.html here is a 1-2 month study plan for how to get over the 700 hump - any feedback how to improve it is welcome.

For math, not really many recommendations. You will always see some unusual questions on the GMAT - the whole concept of it, so don't get alarmed too much. Just know arithmetic and how to solve word problems and basic combinations/probability.

What is V&M official books?
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Thanks BB.
I meant verbal & math official books (the 2nd ed that just came out this year)
Do you believe that after I already had taken the Kaplan course, a private teacher, just for SC, could be helpful? or the MGMAT is good enough...?

I am looking for miracles...


J

Jakiel wrote:Thanks BB.
I meant verbal & math official books (the 2nd ed that just came out this year)
Do you believe that after I already had taken the Kaplan course, a private teacher, just for SC, could be helpful? or the MGMAT is good enough...?

I am looking for miracles...


J

The math and verbal OG are helpful but they are just question collections - may teach you something or give you a hint but not as much as a good SC book would do.

Go through Kaplan's SC right now. Then do the MGMAT OG, if that does not help, do not start with the OG Guide, but instead try getting 1-2 sessions with a tutor (other than Kaplan since you did those materials already) and see if they can get you on the right track. That would be my path.

It is possible for you to get over the 700 barrier - possible for everyone, just may need a bit more time and more brushing up. Doing Grammar is another resource if you need to overhaul your SC (esp. if not a native speaker or if you never cared about grammar).

Hope this helps!
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Just want to add my two-cents worth. I got 670 the first time around, extremely disapointed cause I was expecting a slightly higher score. I got 690 and 710 for GMATprep 1 & 2. I was determined to get a 700+ and the reason for that is probably a bit irrational -- my best friend got a 760 and I have always beatten her in whatever subject at high school. She did take a prep course so I took that into consideration and only aimed for 700+.

I studied for a month -- only on the weekend though cause I was a bit tied up with other stuff -- the second time I took it I got 710. I would be happier if I got 720 or 730 but I don't want to waste my precious time on retaking it again since I need to get started on other parts of my applications.

I think the bottom line is, if you have a reason to believe that you would get 30 or 40 points more, then go for it, retake the exam. In my case I knew there was a big chance that I'd get a better score if retook the exam and I had enough time to do so.

Luck is a big factor too. I was weak on Science RC's and came across one the first time around but not the second time.

I know 710 is not a very high score but I hope I can still make to at least one of the schools I'm applying to: INSEAD, LBS, Columbia, Kellogg & MIT. I can't say my work experience is really unique -- my undergraduate degree is Computer Science but I wanted to get into finance purely because it's what I'm interested in and I've been a financial planner for 3 years now. I did my high school in China, lived in Thailand for a year and then moved to Australia. I've been living and working in Australia for 12 years now. My goal is to break into consulting, specialising in the financial services industry. Don't know what my chances are but I'm gonna do my best and give it a shot. Anyone who have some insights in these schools selection criteria and thinks my goal is unrealistic/realistic please let me know. I can really use some guidance here.

bb, I really think it's great that you started this thread because it provides ppl who are contemplating on retaking the exam with both sides of the story.

I scored a 680 on my GMAT. I am thinking about taking it again but took it twice already. I really didnt do well on my Quant but I come from PE/HF for the past 5 years. I also got a high GPA in accounting business. I just am having a tough time getting past the actual exam (I had to take an IQ test for my hedge fund job and got 99th percentile). I know some schools are GMAT junkies but some arent. Should I not take it again and apply to a NYU or take it again and shoot for Columbia or Wharton?

RuthlessCA wrote:I scored a 680 on my GMAT. I am thinking about taking it again but took it twice already. I really didnt do well on my Quant but I come from PE/HF for the past 5 years. I also got a high GPA in accounting business. I just am having a tough time getting past the actual exam (I had to take an IQ test for my hedge fund job and got 99th percentile). I know some schools are GMAT junkies but some arent. Should I not take it again and apply to a NYU or take it again and shoot for Columbia or Wharton?

GMAT has nothing to do with intelligence, so the IQ test is probably more important but unfortunately not relevant
Sorry to hear about the 2 attempts. I see you have been prepping for a while and have gmat club tests.

Just FYI - the difference in average GMAT Score between NYU and Wharton is 6 points - not a deal breaker (the-pants-pooping-applicant-thread-for-78477.html?view-post=617871#p617871). Not sure if your chances will be much better with 700+ than 680 but may need to get the Quant up just ot keep the adcom happy.

I would not let GMAT stand in the way of my dream school - it is a nasty little thing that you can get out of the way (All you need is 3-4 points for quant) - for sanity sake (since you have been studying for a while and probably pretty frustrated at this point), would just get a tutor, pay him/her $500 - do 2 or 3 sessions, get my weaknesses figured out, whack the stupid test and move on. NYC has a lot of good tutors.
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I admire your confidence. I am in a similar situation, but lacking confidence. I scored a 600 on my first go round and am stressing about whether I should take it over. My top choice is CBS and looking at the average and 80% range I am a little discouraged. Grant it I am a woman and represent the "underrepresented" minority, I am fearful that my performance will hinder my overall package (have an Engineering undergrad degree, but did enough to graduate-slightly below 3.0). Can anyone provide some insight for someone in my case? Should I retake it or focus on building a strong application through essays and recommendations? I appreciate any feedback.

jlp9685 wrote:I admire your confidence. I am in a similar situation, but lacking confidence. I scored a 600 on my first go round and am stressing about whether I should take it over. My top choice is CBS and looking at the average and 80% range I am a little discouraged. Grant it I am a woman and represent the "underrepresented" minority, I am fearful that my performance will hinder my overall package (have an Engineering undergrad degree, but did enough to graduate-slightly below 3.0). Can anyone provide some insight for someone in my case? Should I retake it or focus on building a strong application through essays and recommendations? I appreciate any feedback.

If you are below the 80% range, I would recommend to reconsider. If you lack confidence and discourage, you may be the right person for a class. We have a deal on the Manhattan Class, but I would recommend you also look into Knewton - they provide money back guarantee if you don't get a 50 point improvement - may save energy and nerves, though it does cost $700....

See some of the class reviews here: gmat-prep-courses-classes-reviews-ratings-and-comparison-78451.html

I am usually a self-prep and no-retaking fan, so have crossed 2 of my principles in one message - let me know if you prefer the self-prep route, would be happy to recommend a few books...
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Ok i need an opinion - an honest & optimistic one. i gave the actual gmat earlier on & got 550 and then last yr a 480. Now after 2months of taking classes & studying , and being terrifed of a taking a practise test , i am now at 590. And am more terrified now becuase its mid-october.

I think my problem is that i have too much material on my hands , i have og 10 & 11, Manhattan SC , the SETS , 1000SC , LSAT RCs plus jut downloaded powescore CR.
I had started off with Kaplan Math & verbal books but took forever to finish them. Now getting thru OG is taking time plus i've begun on stuff like Brutal Scs , LSAT and verbal sets
So to summarize it all - I have major time mgmt issues, am good at RC but struggling with CR and SC (altho i evn did the wren & martin book) and DS.

I am a targeting 670-680 since i have 8 yrs of WE , plus south-asian female of 31 yrs age , business admin degree from a local B-school , good applications story & strong recommendations (one from my ex-boss who is a kellogg grad).

Please advise what am i doing wrong? Also im thinking i should a) prepare to be ready to take the test by Nov15th , or b) finish up the apps and work on the GMAT till December .

Hi - sorry missed your post.

The biggest issue is usually not following the strategies exactly as they are written in the guidebooks. For some mysterious reason people try them, and then feel that they take too long to follow each step and then start cutting corners - the result is exactly what you would expect when cutting corners.
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Hi;

I'm in desperate need of advice here - I took the GMAT yesterday, and got a 690 (41Q/43V) as a result. I was a bit frustrated by that score, since I was getting 760 on my PowerPrep Practice tests and 710 on my GMATPrep practice tests. My score in Math was way too low!

So, here is the thing: I'm planning on bidding for a full-time MBA program at either Chicago, Wharton, Kellogg, Harvard, Columbia or the MIT (Chicago and Kellogg are my "top 2" schools). As mentioned, I think I got a pretty low score on Math (with 41Q, I made it only to the 67th perc.), and a rather average overall score (I'm pretty aware that 690 is far from being impressive).

So - what do you guys think? Should I try taking the test again? Do I have any chance of getting into one of the mentioned programs with such a low score in the Quantitative section of the GMAT?

Just to add a little bit of context: I'm already 31 years old and have a pretty solid career as consultant at Accenture.

Thanks in advance for your help.

All the best,
Márcio Guilherme.

This may be a technicality question and would recommend you also post it in the Profile Review forum.

My thought is that 690 should not keep anyone from schools whose average is 710. Moreover, few of them really look at GMAT so legalistically.

Since you really need to hit your schools in R2, not much time left for a retake. I would focus on the Applications.

If you want to feel better, fix quant, and not worry about it, schedule a test in 30 days (the soonest you can retake). Don't spend much time on prepping for it - focus on the apps 97%. Practice a bit for the GMAT - take a few full tests and retake.

If you really want to be slick, don't send the scores to any schools just in case you don't get a higher score - you can order them later. However, it does not really matter if a clerk sees that your second score is lower than your first one - not a big deal to have a second score lower than the first. Pathfinder had 720, then retook and got 690 - still got into Wharton.
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Thanks for your answer, bb.

I'll probably take the test again, and will certainly focus most of my time on my Applications. Nonetheless, don't you think a 41Q is a bit low for someone that plans to apply to a Top MBA program? I mean, 690 sounds ok, but I'm afraid that people at the Admission's office of, say, Chicago, will find that a 690 score comprised of 41Q (67%) / 43V (93%) lacks "balance". I'm really, really afraid that a 41Q could send the wrong message to those top schools, that is - I'm afraid their Admission's Office could interpret the data in a way such as "that dude has a good overall score, a good personal background, but seems to lack the intelectual horsepower that our school requires to do the Math our MBA program requires".

What do you think? Should I be worried? Is 41Q enough for a top school such as Chicago, Wharton or Kellogg?

All the best,
Márcio Guilherme.

(I'll post the question on the Profile Review forum later on)

marcioguilherme wrote:Thanks for your answer, bb.

What do you think? Should I be worried? Is 41Q enough for a top school such as Chicago, Wharton or Kellogg?

All the best,
Márcio Guilherme.

(I'll post the question on the Profile Review forum later on)

This answer will depend on each of the schools - admissions consultants from Accepted and MBA Apply are much more up to speed on "unofficial" requirements from each of the schools. I'd hate to give you the wrong info, so will defer to them.

Alternatively, you can also go through this thread and see if there is a pattern:
2009-profiles-w-admit-dings-results-no-discussion-62945.html
or here: 2009-acceptances-rejections-by-school-post-results-here-73302.html
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Hi all,

I took the gmat today and scored 720 (51Q 35V)
Of course, I was happy with the Q score, but the V score just made me want to cry.
I took all the manhattan prep practices and had these 6 scores for verbal, 34, 36, 40, 40, 45
I just can't understand why I did so badly. To insult my own injury, I actually felt good about my answers.

In any case, my current problem is as follows. I have about a month till the R2 deadlines. I'm applying to HBS, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, and Northwestern. My undergrad gpa was 3.4, master's gpa 3.3, and my phd (which i didn't complete) 3.8. I have roughly 6 years of work experience and no significant extracurriculars that are current. Oh and I'll be 33 at matriculation. I keep hearing that age doesn't matter, but looking at the age ranges and the averages, it looks like I'm slightly outside the SD.

I need to do my essays now, but I'm also thinking perhaps I should retake the GMAT at the end of this month. Honestly, I went through hell pulling my verbal score up to 45, and then today I made my second trip there seeing all the fruits of my studying spiral down the toilet.

From a practical point of view, I'm thinking that 720 is good enough (as long as they don't peak at the V score). I also think that the make-it or break-it hinges on my essays. But, this little voice inside of me, coupled with all the ding/admit profiles makes me wonder if that damn 35 V is going to break me.

Anyone care to comment or are in similar positions?

oskarmellow wrote:Hi all,

I took the gmat today and scored 720 (51Q 35V)
Of course, I was happy with the Q score, but the V score just made me want to cry.
I took all the manhattan prep practices and had these 6 scores for verbal, 34, 36, 40, 40, 45
I just can't understand why I did so badly. To insult my own injury, I actually felt good about my answers.

In any case, my current problem is as follows. I have about a month till the R2 deadlines. I'm applying to HBS, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, and Northwestern. My undergrad gpa was 3.4, master's gpa 3.3, and my phd (which i didn't complete) 3.8. I have roughly 6 years of work experience and no significant extracurriculars that are current. Oh and I'll be 33 at matriculation. I keep hearing that age doesn't matter, but looking at the age ranges and the averages, it looks like I'm slightly outside the SD.

I need to do my essays now, but I'm also thinking perhaps I should retake the GMAT at the end of this month. Honestly, I went through hell pulling my verbal score up to 45, and then today I made my second trip there seeing all the fruits of my studying spiral down the toilet.

From a practical point of view, I'm thinking that 720 is good enough (as long as they don't peak at the V score). I also think that the make-it or break-it hinges on my essays. But, this little voice inside of me, coupled with all the ding/admit profiles makes me wonder if that damn 35 V is going to break me.

Anyone care to comment or are in similar positions?

Unless you are getting MBA in Philosophy, your Q51 should more than cover your V35.
Pathfinder (currently in Wharton) got 720 (from-720-to-70639.html), though his split was slightly different and is happy where he is. He spent 4 more months studying and got 690....

Would suggest you focus on Essays instead. If you are still concerned, comb though these threads to see how you stack up: 2009-profiles-w-admit-dings-results-no-discussion-62945.html and 2009-acceptances-rejections-by-school-post-results-here-73302.html
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Hello, this is my first post. I'm glad I found GMAT Club!! Next year I'm planning to apply to a distance learning MSc, I already have a MBA good enough for my region. 3 years ago I took the GMAT and obtained a 640 score (45 q, 32 v).

I will take the GMAT for fun. I also try to get 700+ score to apply to a scholarship, but I'm doing the test mostly for fun.

Do you think I need to study like a newbie because a took the test 3 years ago?

Sorry I think this post is a little wordy.

jasolorzanor wrote:Hello, this is my first post. I'm glad I found GMAT Club!! Next year I'm planning to apply to a distance learning MSc, I already have a MBA good enough for my region. 3 years ago I took the GMAT and obtained a 640 score (45 q, 32 v).

I will take the GMAT for fun. I also try to get 700+ score to apply to a scholarship, but I'm doing the test mostly for fun.

Do you think I need to study like a newbie because a took the test 3 years ago?

Sorry I think this post is a little wordy.

Not technically a re-take (3 years is a long time). I would take a GMAT Prep (download gmatprep) and see how well you do. Then we can talk
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